[Problème] Consommation d'huile / 1.6i 16V [Berlingo's engine and oil]

Hi! I'm from Russia and I don't know French (

And because of my Berlingo is from France, I want to ask here about problems with the car.

I'm waiting an answer from russian forums too now.

 

So, let's start. We have bought Citroen Berlingo 1.6 MSP in November, 2006.

Now it's with 10 000 kilometers on the odometer, and we had to go to the service, because the gauge in the hydraulic booster of a rudder system was broken, and the liquid has gone from it. And before we went to the service, we decided to check the level of oil in the engine. And it was at the bottom of the scale!

We said about it in the service, and specialists checked the oil level. They added 1,3 litres of oil and said us to return to the service after 1000 km on the odometer. If the problem will repeat for two times, they will think, what to do with the car.

It's possible, that they will try to disassemble engine or to replace it with the new one.

 

What could we expect from them? What legal problems may be we will have. The car is on the warranty.

 

P.S. This car is very cool! We really like it, and we regret, that something happened with it =(

And sorry for my English (if it is possible on the French forum). Thank you!

Hello,

 

I wish you the welcome on the forum!! One goes tested as well as possible from you helped!

 

Thus if I include/understand well, you had a problem of power-assisted steering?? Then, you saw that the engine oil level was too low??

 

If you prefers to write in Russian, it is perhaps better, I can thus translate the Russian into the English!!

 

En Français, si j'ai bien compris, @alikm a eu un problème de DA ... Mais le vrai problème, c'est que le niveau d'huile moteur était beaucoup trop bas ...

 

Au garage, ils ont ajouté 1.3litre Et si après 1 000 Km, c'était pareil, le garage allait démonté ou remplacé le moteur

 

Vous aurez remarqué mon Anglais très ...

 

A++

I can write in English, because if I will use Russian, program can make mistakes. If you will not understand some of my sentences, say about it.

 

Yes, we had a problem of power-assisted steering, and there in the service it was decided.

But we simply wanted to check the level of oil in the engine, only to be sure, that nothing else is wrong in the car. And so what we have now.

Ok, without problem…

 

About do the power-assisted steering, they go replaced??

 

Was the break-in period indeed respected??

 

A good thing, you still have the guarantee… best is to make noted by Citroen, the consumption of oil… In case, they will have to do something!

 

Now, the level is good??

 

A++

Yes, they replaced the gauge in the power-assisted steering. There is no problem with it now. We had waited only for an hour, while they were replacing the gauge.

 

I'm sorry, but I can not uderstand this: "Was the break-in period indeed respected??

" =) Please, explain it.

 

Specialists know about the problem now, and it's on the control. It's near the 800 km left for our next trip to the service. The level of oil is near that level, as it was when we left service three days ago.

Nicyo, on attend la traduction!

Nicyo, on attend la traduction!

 

Oui Oui

 

En gros, ils ont eu un problème de direction Assisté, celle-ci a été remplacée

 

Mais, ils ont un problème de consommation excessive d'huile :( Apparement le garage a trouvé le problème ... En trois jours, le niveau serait de nouveau au plus bas

 

Ok, therefore more problem with the direction.

 

Thus in 800 km, you must turned over at Citroen… This consumption is not normal… But there can be several causes…

 

For is grinding, they the first km when the car is new, you must rolled more gently, you must lead more calmly, to prepare the engine… You include/understand??

 

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Hy alikm !

Welcome on planete-citroen.com ! No problem with your english... You speak english better than a lot of french people (including myself)...

 

I'm sorry, but I can not uderstand this: "Was the break-in period indeed respected??

" =) Please, explain it.

 

For alikm : definition of "the break-in period" : when you buy a car, during the first 5000 or 8000 km, you have to drive cool (not like a formula one race) to preserve the engine ...

Ok, craisi and nicyo, thanks )

Yes, of course, this period was respected. We know, that it was necessary.

Now I have understood, thank you.

 

On the russian forum one man said, that it is a typical problem for engine TU5JP, and it's could happen more often with C4.

There is a little percent of cars, that have a such problem... So, how it says: "Ce la vie"?

 

I think there could be troubles with the terms... It's hard to translate some special words to english. But: on the service they will start with the replacing of rings and oil-demount caps, and if it willn't help, they could replace the head of the block of cylinders, are they? And then, if the previous steps will fall, specialists could start to replace the whole engine.

And if it will happen, the question will be in time of repar.

Ok, craisi and nicyo, thanks )

Yes, of course, this period was respected. We know, that it was necessary.

Now I have understood, thank you.

 

On the russian forum one man said, that it is a typical problem for engine TU5JP, and it's could happen more often with C4.

There is a little percent of cars, that have a such problem... So, how it says: "Ce la vie"?

 

I think there could be troubles with the terms... It's hard to translate some special words to english. But: on the service they will start with the replacing of rings and oil-demount caps, and if it willn't help, they could replace the head of the block of cylinders, are they? And then, if the previous steps will fall, specialists could start to replace the whole engine.

And if it will happen, the question will be in time of repar.

 

Hello,

 

I think indeed of having heard kind of problem, on C4 for example…

 

Let make Citroên, apparently you are well dealt with… As you have the guarantee, lets make!

 

Unfortunately, that can arrived…

 

Would you have a photograph of your Berlingo??

Thank you!

Photo:

http://www.planete-citroen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60951

Dobry dien Alikim.

Y mena bil samui problem

 

(J'assure hein, je continue en anglais pour tout le monde)

I had the same trouble : http://www.planete-citroen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60932

and still have it.

At Citroen, they told me that if I the consuption of oil is less than 1 liter for 1000 km, then it is normal. For me, it was 1 liter for 4000 km. These last days, it was more, about 1 liter for 2500 km.

So, I have tried an additive to mix with the oil, in case of high consuption. It's quite recent. So I still do not know if it is the right answer or not.

 

As you write, it is say that sometimes, one car is a bad number. You are lucky that Citroen-Russia helps you to find how to solve that trouble. In France, they just say "Bad Luck !".

 

Are they a lot of Berlingo in Russia ? Maybe, I should go there to get it repared.

 

Maia jena iz Peterburge. Dumaiesh mojna iekhat tuda biez problem c maiu mashinu ?

 

Et pour la traduc, je laisse Nycio continuer d'assurer.

Salut,

 

Merci @philouba, pour la petite explication Donc, tu as demandé à Citroën, et c'est normal ? Sur le 1.6i 16 V ?

 

Tu es allé jusqu'à 1 litre / 4000 Km et actuellement 1 litre / 2500 Km

 

Selon Auto-Plus, la conso sur le 1.6i 16V ( tous modèles / à partir de 2004 ) peut atteindre 1L / 1000 Km !!!

 

>> http://www.planete-citroen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40699

 

Tu as essayé un additif pour voir si il y avait une différence .

 

@alikm m'a expliqué que dans sa région, il y avait 5 Berlingo pour ... 80 000 habitants

 

Citroën n'est pas très présent en Russie, mais il y a nettement plus de C4, C5, Xm, Xantia que de Berlingo :PP

 

@alikm, You went to Citroen? No the news?

 

Je sais qu'il y a pareil problème sur C4 Même moteur ...

 

A++

Non, moi, c'est le 2L HDI.

La réponse de Citroën par email ( à qui je venais d' expliquer que j'avais vu 3 concessionnaires qui m'avaient répondu dans l'ordre : "jusqu'à 1L / 1000 km, ce n'est pas un défaut" - ça c'est le concessionnaire où je l'ai achetée et où j'avais essayé de faire jouer la garantie - , "moi à votre place, j'essaierai de faire intervenir Citroën" et le troisième "moi à votre place, je me débarasserai de cette voiture"), la réponse donc du support Citroën à mon long mail détaillé a été ....

"Nous vous remercions, bla bla bla, nous avons lu avec attention blablabla et nous vous invitons à vous rapprocher d'un de nos concessionnaires"

...

 

Il parait que les voitures japonaises sont garanties 3 ans.

 

@alikm : I do prefer not to translate what I wrote into any language, sometimes, I shame about some aftersale service that some french big company forget to give.

Oh, I think, that it's wrong. I understand, that dealers say about it, that it's normal. But just try to count, how much oil will you bring into the engine of your car. The volume of the oil tank is near the 3,2 litres, I don't remember.

If you need 1 litre to ride 1000 kilometers, you will have to fill the tank every 3000 kilometers. And we live in 100 kilometers from the service. It's very interesting to ride to the service with the new car with such frequency.

I heard, that it is a feature of the most French cars. They can sometimes consume lots of oil (and sometimes gasoline too).

And another interesting thing: at the first time, when we went to the service to check the car (1500 kilometers), thay said, that all is ok. And just imagine: we trust the service workers, we want to ride somewhere, and somewhere on the road the oil in the engine is over. Engine gets jammed...

A week ago we went to the service again, they added 200 millilitres of oil. They don't know, what to do, if it will repeat two times again, and the service will consult with the French specialists.

2philouba: I read messages in French, using a program. So I have understood your message and other messages.

Hello alikm !

 

how much kilometer do you have?

 

I really wonder why, the 1.6i 16V consumes as much! My 1.9D of 274.000 km does not consume oil! Nothing!

 

I know that HDi consumes much at the beginning, the first Kilometers.

 

French cars don't consume a lot!

 

Sincèrement ... je me demande pourquoi le 1.6i 16V consomme autant ( Aussi bien sur C4, que Berlingo et sûrement chez Peugeot aussi !)

 

Un comportement normal ?? J'ai du mal

 

Mon 1.9D de 274 000 Km ne consomme rien ...

 

Á savoir si cette conso diminue avec le temps ...

 

J'ai regardé, il n'y a rien chez Citroën au sujet de la conso excessive du 1.6i 16V ( en tout cas sur Berlingo )

Nicyo,

French cars don't consume a lot.

My BERLINGO hdi needed only about half a liter of oil in the first miles. ( 0 to 1 000 miles) .

I suppose that Alikm have to choose a good oil. With an adapted viscosity, perhaps his consumption will drop.

Alikm, your pictures are superb.

Bye

Now I have near 11450..11500 kilometers. At the 11800 kilometers I need to go to the service again.

Ok, and if a lot of people think, that such consumption of oil is normal, so why specialists at the service are excited?

And about a good oil: we use recommended by Citroen Total, and I don't know its parameters, because I don't see, what they do at the service, and what they fill too.

By the way, specialists at the service filled the additive to the oil, and have adjusted the coupling, and the car became faster. The car began to disperse more quickly, and interval between the second and the third transmittion (I don't remember this word precisely) became shorter.

 

HACHEDEÏ, thank you, I'm glad, that it was pleasant for you.

By the way, specialists at the service filled the additive to the oil, and have adjusted the coupling, and the car became faster. The car began to disperse more quickly, and interval between the second and the third transmittion (I don't remember this word precisely) became shorter.

 

It' s very strange: the oil may facilit the passage but not shortened the gear!!

I mean that the car became faster at all, and engine stopped "to think" a lot and became more quick.

2Alikm : It is not a matter of french car. I talked about my problem with another friend, who had exactly the same trouble, and it was a Ford Fiesta. We (you, my friend and I) have got a bad number. As said my friend, you have to know it, you travel with a 5 L oil (5W40) always in your car, you know it, you take care about it, and you won't have any trouble. Of course, you pay more than the others, because of the oil, but by the way and by the time, you can drive.

What is surprising, is that the european car factories (what about american or japanese) think that until 1 L / 1000 km, it is normal. But it seems that we have no possibilities to make them admit, that there is something wrong in our car.

On my oil gauge, I have one led turned off. I'll tell you more later if with the additive, it's better or not.

 

Poca !

Yes, we must take this situation as is.I will just wait, what will specialists on the service do in the future with the car.

Salut,

 

Il y a du nouveau

 

Apparemment, une consommation excessive jusque 30 000 Km est normal Période de "rodage" ...

 

Après, c'est anormal

 

There is new: W

 

Apparently, an excessive consumption until 30 000 km, it is good Period of "grinding"... Afterwards, it is not good

 

A++

Ok! I was at the service yesterday, we checked the oil level, and it is on the top of the measure! It's necessary to go to the service again after the next 1000 km, and if it will be ok again, I can relax )